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The purpose of this website is to provide information on determining qualification for O1E pay for officers who were prior enlisted in the Reserves who believe that they have been wrongfully denied O1E pay.

This page is specifically for you if you were or are enlisted  and are now or will commission as an active duty officer. If you’re in the above situation you may have been or will be incorrectly denied O1E pay.

They will wrongfully deny O1E pay even if you have the required 1460 points, telling you that only “Active Duty Time Counts”.  This is not accurate, but most don’t know the regulation that outlines how to determine if someone qualifies for O1E pay.

To determine of you qualify for O1E pay the only thing you need to is to go to the Army HRC website:

1. Click on “My Records

2. Login

3. Click on “Reserve Record”,

4. “CHR statement of retirement points” it has a PDF icon next to it.

5. Add the “Inactive Duty” column with the “Active Duty” column.

6. if you have 1460 points or more from those 2 columns you qualify. Even if you have already been told that you don’t qualify.

Most finance personnel will tell you that only the active duty column counts. This is wrong and here is the Defense Finance Regulation that says that inactive duty time counts also. (DoD 7000.14-R Volume 7A) See page 1-11, paragraph A.”

Most finance personnel don’t actually know the regulation on O1E pay. They generally just follow a set of guidelines or SOP set by their internal office that don’t actually reflect the guidance in the regulation. Many times they have not even read the regulation and treat their SOP as the regulation.

What is Inactive Duty?

Technically speaking reserve time doesn’t count towards O1E pay, that is, your overall years in the Reserves. However, the time that does count towards O1E pay while serving in the Reserves is called “inactive duty” and “active duty for training”. This is clearly stated in the regulation. The main category to pay attention to is the “Inactive Duty” category. Don’t confuse inactive duty with Inactive Regular Reserve (IRR), those are two different things. Inactive duty refers to days at Drill, Annual Training, and training classes that you received orders for and probably did not receive a DD214.

You won’t receive a DD214 for “Inactive Duty”, but the time is recorded on your Statement of retirement Points, formerly called the DD 249E and the DD 5016. This document shows all calculated points and time by the category it was completed in. This document can be used to determine if you meat the 1460 point cutoff for O1E. There is another regulation (I’ll post it later) that states that any “centrally sourced document” can be used to determine or calculate points or time on the 1506. The DD 1506 is what finance uses to show all your time in the military for pay purposes and for O1E. The finance regulation that this information can be found in is “DoD 7000.14”, page 1-11, paragraph A.

 

The following is a direct quote from the regulation:

“Such prior service includes all active service, in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both (i.e., active duty for training in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and full-time National Guard duty).  Service on active duty or active and inactive duty for training for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfies the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.”

Study and know the regulation. Even though the regulation clearly states that “Inactive Duty” time counts, there are finance personnel that will try to tell you that it doesn’t. They will also say that that time does count but since you are switching to active duty it doesn’t count. That is a false and is not stated anywhere in the regulation. They may also try to say that time on active duty must have been paid with “reserve appropriated funds”, that is false, and is specifically stated in the reg.

Here is an example of a Retirement Points Statement, 14 years in the Reserves.

I recently ran into an active duty CPT who was prior enlisted in the reserves. After showing him the regulation he was able to get 9 years of O1-3E back pay.

One mistake that finance or your S1 might make is that they will try to recalculate your Pay Entry Base Date (PEBD). If your cutting things close with points or time this calculation be not be accurate in determining O1E, as also in the correct action to take. The correct action is to simply add and active duty time from a DD214 plus all inactive duty time in order to reach the 4 years and 1 day.

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I’m just a guy who is tired of seeing finance and DFAS personnel screw over soldiers who don’t know any better, so I made a website to help out. If you found this website help or have any questions leave a comment or click on the forums link. I would really like to know if anyone found this helpful so I can determine weather or not to maintain this site.

75 Comments

  1. DUDE! I have been searching and searching for this info! Thank You!! You are absolutely correct, my officer recruiter had no clue what I was talking about “E-pay” and here I am just chilling as a new O1 with 16 years enlisted.

  2. I contacted DFAS officials who told me I certainly qualify for O-1E pay. NGB had previously told me twice I did not qualify. NGB and my CoC wrong. As long as you have enough retirement points (1,460) of enlisted service you are good to go. Don’t confused “active service” with active duty.

  3. So, help me understand this….and tell me if my line of thinking is correct. I sered 8 years in the Army Reserves as an enlisted soldier – I’m looking at my most recent retirement points statement. There is a column titled “MEM”, a column titled “AD Pts”, a column titled “Total Career Points” and a column titled “Total Pts For Ret Pay”. I commissioned in 2015. Prior to 2015, I had earned 120 MEM Pts, 1,392 AD Pts, 1,512 Total Career Points, and 1,476 Total Pts For Ret Pay. I’m now in the National Guard … was told I do not qualify for O1E pay; however, I’m not sure, since it is based on points. I heard the same line many hear: “you must have spent 4+ years on active duty to get O1E pay”. What am I missing? Should I be getting O1E pay?

    • airicd22

      April 18, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      Thanks for the question. You’re on the right track. What you need to do is add your “Active Duty Points” with your “Inactive Duty” Points. This is what trips people up. No one really understand the difference between the two. Active duty is service that you received a DD214, such as a deployment or mobilization. Inactive Duty is drill days, annual training, and other courses. For example the Army Comabtives Course came to my unit for 5 days to teach and I was on orders for those 5 days. That time was documented in the inactive duty column. The regulation clearly states that inactive duty time and active duty for training count towards O1E pay. So add those 2 columns and that will give you your answer. Go to your S1 or Unit Administrator with the regulation and your points, then they should send you to retention, and retention should send you to finance. If they try to do a PEBD (Pay Entry Base Date) recalculation that is not what needs to happen, I’ve seen it innacurate for calculating time for O1E . When I went through this this process, I presented the reg and I was literally told “We don’t do it that way here”. So be prepared for some resistance. The only thing they need to do is add your two columns. Good luck, I hope this helps.

  4. So, if they (finance/personnel) still continue to resist making the adjustment (after showing them that you have at least 1,460 retirement points), what should be the next step to move forward with getting this corrected?

    • airicd22

      May 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      I think tour next step would depend on why they are still giving you resistance. Is it because 1. They don’t understand the regulation? 2. They understand the reg but refuse to accept that they have been doing it wrong this whole time, or 3. You aren’t calculating your points correctly. Just to be sure the only points that count towards O1E are in the 2 following columns: “Active Duty” and “Inactive Duty”. If the total of those columns is 1460 then you do qualify.
      Also, did they say “No” or are they just slow. It took me a year to get O1E, so don’t give up.

      If you do actually qualify and they are telling you “No”, keep bugging them (make sure you bring the regulation and your points with you every time), go up thier chain of command, your chain of command, go to IG, if that fails go to your congressman, they really do pull a lot of weight.

  5. I did 3 years active duty and 3 years guard now I’m back on active duty as an officer, should I be receiving O1 E ??

    • airicd22

      May 17, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      That depends on your inactive duty points. As long you have more than 365 points in the inactive duty column you should be good. The inactive duty column is drills days, Annual Training, and other training you might have done that you did not get a dd 214 for. You can also add the inactive duty column to any active duty stuff you did in the Guard such as AIT if you reclassed, deployed, or mobilization. If you commissioned through OCS then all that time counts towards E pay.

      • What reference could I use to prove time spent at OCS counts towards E pay?

        • airicd22

          August 26, 2017 at 1:10 pm

          Is someone actually refusing to count your OCS time? Just curious. The finance regulation that I referenced says that all enlisted time counts, it also talks about a couple exceptions to time that doesn’t count, but OCS isn’t. You’re enlisted while in OCS, your MOS is O9S, you sign a contract, and the proof is in your DD214. But if no one is telling you that OCS time doesn’t count then it probably isn’t going to happen. If someone is telling you that OCS time doesn’t count then make them show you where that is in the reg, because it’s not. Time as a cadet in ROTC does not count, so they could be thinking of that, but ROTC and OCS aren’t the same thing. So they’d be mistaken.

          • Admin asked for a reference. My request of 01E is in the works. Will follow up with update.

          • airicd22

            August 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm

            Sounds good. I hope everything works out for you.

          • Admin was not able to correct my pay and I was advised to send an application for correction of military record (DD FORM 149) to the Board for Correction of Naval Records a process which may take 6 or more months.

          • airicd22

            October 18, 2017 at 2:12 pm

            At least it’s a step forward. I had to wait over a year to get O1E. I’m currently helping a new LT in my unit whose unit administrator didnt update his retirement point for his entire 14 years in the National Guard.

    • airicd22

      April 15, 2018 at 4:41 pm

      Add your Regular Army active duty time to your Reserve active duty points and inactive duty points. That should give you the answer. 1 reserve point is 1 day.

  6. If i have three years national guard as enlisted, 1 as a cadet and three years as an officer on active, would I be an 03E when I transfer back to the National Guard?

    Thanks!

    • airicd22

      May 20, 2017 at 11:36 am

      Without knowing how many points you earned while in the Guard I couldn’t tell you. However, I can tell you that I think cadet time doesn’t count towards the “E” and officer time doesn’t count either. So with only 3 years in the Guard I would guess that you don’t have very many points that count towards “E” pay.

  7. I am going to the green to gold program this fall. I would have served more than 4 years of active duty. I was told I would automatically qualify for this O1E pay until I made CPT. Is that true?

  8. airicd22

    May 25, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    If you were in the Regular Army for 4 years and one day prior to commissioning, then yes it will kick in as soon as you commission, automatically, and there’s nothing you have to do. You only earn retirement points in the Reserves, Regular Army just adds up years. If you were in the Reserves and did various training/deployments you will probably have to make it happen. I’m not sure what 2 year program you’re doing (Nursing?), but time as a cadet does not count towards O1E and as soon as you commission you no longer earn time towards O1E.

    HRC website has changed a little. Here is how to find you Reserve Retirement Points:
    Go to the Army HRC website, Click on “My Records”, Login, Click on “Reserve Record”, then click on “CHR statement of retirement points” it has a PDF icon next to it.

  9. Can someone tell me if I qualify for O1E pay?
    BASD : 20140218
    ETS: 20180217
    I am really confused as everywhere I read it says 4years and one day is required for O1E pay but, I was wondering if one of you experts could check my dates and reply if I am qualified. Thanks in advance!!

    I forgot to mention I am an Active Duty Soldier. I do not have any reserves time in service.
    Thanks!!

    • airicd22

      June 4, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      If you’re pure Regular Army then there’s nothing to figure out. If you have 4 years and 1 day then you should qualify for O1E when you commission. It’s normally automatic and is applied after you commission.

  10. Where do you fall on the pay scale? I have 12 years enlisted in the guard 1475 points. Would i be O-1E 4 years or 12 years?

  11. This website just got my friend her O-1E pay after she was told she didn’t qualify. Thank you!

  12. It seems like some of my points are missing (a couple years ago I saw that I had a lot more than 1460 now I’m seeing 1097). I have been in the reserves for 10 years. Is there anywhere else I can locate a copy of my points? I used the reserves portal from the HRC website. Dfas?

    • airicd22

      August 8, 2017 at 1:19 am

      You should talk to your Unit Administrator to figure that out. I’d bet they can update that based off the attendance record and any active duty orders.

  13. Any idea if this carries over to other services? For example, will Army enlisted time qualify for O-1E in USAF or Navy?

    Thanks for publishing this info.

  14. Thank you for the help! I was finally able to prove I qualify for 01e pay!

  15. If the 1460 enlisted point criteria is met by overall points at retirement but the 6 years time as an officer was in the middle of 23 years of guard/reserve time without active years, does that qualify for O-1E at retirement. Or does the 1460 points have to be met prior to commissioning?

    • airicd22

      September 22, 2017 at 1:58 pm

      I’m having a little trouble understanding your question, but you can use a combination of active duty time and reserve points to qualify for O1E. Those points must be prior to commissioning.

      • Thanks airicd22 for that info. I served 7 years enlisted and then 6 years commissioned, then enlisted again for 10 years. So I did not have 1460 prior to commissioning.

  16. You stated to only add the AD and IDT points. What about the ECI and MBR points?

    • airicd22

      September 28, 2017 at 11:46 pm

      Simply, those are the only two columns stated in the regulation that count towards O1E. Those two columns are the only two that directly correlate to days spent, IDT points are drill, Annual Training, and ADT days. I’m not sure what ECI points are for.

      • ECI are the points for the Extension Course Institute- PME points. An example would be completing a 5 level course in CDC’s. Some people for whatever reason aren’t able to take the course in residence so take the mandatory courses online. The courses are ran through the military and required to maintain standards and qualifications.

      • I am possibly needing to fight this battle again, and I have always been convinced that at least the MBR points (membership points) should be included. Subparagraph 6 of the reg you mentioned says:

        “…….Therefore, effective that date, commissioned officers in pay grades
        O-1 through O-3 with more than 1,460 points computed under 10 U.S.C. § 12732(a)(2) for service as a warrant officer and/or an enlisted member are entitled to the special rate of pay.”

        When I read 10 U.S.C. § 12732(a)(2), it clearly lists Membership Points as an item. I was just wondering if you had something else I should read that would clearly indicate these should be excluded. These few points would make a difference for me.

        • airicd22

          October 10, 2018 at 10:50 pm

          I tried to look that reference up too when I was trying to get E pay and couldn’t find it, how, where did you?

          I can see finance making the arguement that member points don’t correlate to time and the inactive duty and active duty point do correlate to time, actually those columns dont correlate, they equal time.

          But if the reg says it then they are required to follow it. They dont get to choose. You have to make that point to them.

  17. So basically, if I have 4 years of National Guard drill monthly service and still does not have 1,460 points, I’ll be considered in the “inactive duty” time and qualify for O-1e mate?

    I’m a few weeks away from 4 years doing drill weekends exclusively, the above is correct right amigo?

    • airicd22

      March 18, 2018 at 2:21 am

      I can’t say for sure how that would work. My main focus is for Reserve/Guard switching to active duty. I can say that when calculating time from reserve to active, one day is one point/ one point is one day.

  18. Great information. I was able to assemble all the information and submitted it to my Navy Reserve NOSC who made no headway for 8 months. Then requested help from congressman who put me in direct contact with Naval Personnel Command. Long story short, finally got my record coded correctly.

    • airicd22

      March 18, 2018 at 2:31 am

      Thats good to hear. Are you willing write in a little more detail what helped get things rolling?

  19. I knew I was right as I read the Defense Finance Regulation document you reference. That was the biggest help.

  20. So, I’m currently in the middle of this now. I spent 6 years enlisted in the reserves with 2 years in IRR. Now active officer. I know I don’t have the points needed for O1e pay, but should I still get paid as an O1 with 6 or 8 years of service?

    • airicd22

      April 6, 2018 at 2:09 am

      Yp u should be getting paid as an 01 with 8 years time in service. For example I did 14 years reserve and national guard, and now 2 years active duty. I get paid o1e with 16 years time in service. I had one year in IRR which.

  21. I served 9.5 years in the AIR National Guard. I have 1591 total retirement points as an enlisted member. My personnel office is telling me I don’t qualify because I don’t have 1460 active duty points. But all of my points combined are 1591. According to the DoD financial management regulation referenced here:

    Credible Service for Certain Reserve Commissioned Officer.

    Effective January 1, 2002, commissioned officers in pay grades 0-1, O-2, and O-3 who are paid from funds appropriated for reserve personnel and credited with 1460 points for retirement computed under 10 U.S.C 12732(a)(2) service as a warrant officer and/or enlisted member are entitled to the special rate of basic pay for pay grade O-1E, O-2E, or O-3E.

    My key word is retirement points, so why would I not be considered elegible? Does this not count for National Guard? I just got my commission. Is there a point of contact that I can talk to about getting the correct information or approval?

    • airicd22

      April 15, 2018 at 4:11 pm

      Are you active duty now? “who are paid from funds appropriated for reserve personnel”, this basically means actual days spent in ADT, drill, and AT. The only columns that count towards E pay is the Active Duty Column and inactive duty column. The inactive duty column is WHERE ADT, AT, and drill days are counted. One point is one day. If you have 1460 points with those two columns combined, then yes you qualify. If you qualify, then most likely they just don’t know the reg and don’t understand it and just don’t know the steps to help you. The reg specifically states that “inactive duty” time counts. Show them that part of the reg and your retirement points worksheet. Have them do a 1506 or a time in service calculation. If you haven’t, then read this my entire write up. If they still won’t help you then go over thief heads, go to IG, or and then congressman.

      • If ECI and member points don’t matter then I’m 43 points short of 1460. That sucks but thanks for your help. And no I’m commissioned in the guard still as a flight nurse. Medical officers get a direct commission

  22. Anybody else have a combination of active duty and reserve time having a hard time finding the exact place in the regulation where it speaks to our situation? I did 2 years and 4 months active duty, then went straight into the Guard for 5 years. I had a few bad years (no AT) my last few years in the Guard, but I have 1460 points with my ADT and first 2 years in the Guard. My Personnel department is asking where exactly I see it in the regulation, and to be honest, I’m having a hard time pinpointing it, but I know it’s there.

    • airicd22

      May 2, 2018 at 11:08 pm

      DOD 7000.14R PAGE 1-11 paragraph 1 under service counted.
      “Commissioned officers with over 4 years of prior active service as an enlisted member, warrant officer, or combined service in both grades are entitled to count such service for purposes of computing basic pay for longevity purposes.

      ***Such prior service includes all active , serive in either the Regular or Reserve Component or both***

      (i.e., ADT in enlisted or warrant officer status, annual Reserve training duty, and full-time National Guard duty). Service on active duty or ADT and IDT for at least 4 years and 1 day satisfy the over 4 years of service requirement under this section.

      • Thanks alot. I only have 1240 points on my worksheet but I have 2.5 years active duty and then well over 2 years of Guard time where I was just drilling and doing the annual training. Am I interpreting the regulation correctly that I would meet the 4 years and 1 day requirement with just the above information?

        Btw: big props for you putting this together. This was like urban legend until I found your page. My S1 already hates me just for asking about this. I think there is this unintentional knee jerk reaction to keep us from getting more money.

        • airicd22

          May 3, 2018 at 12:34 am

          As long as you are only adding the Inactive Duty Points column with the Active Duty Points column to get the 1240, then yes ypu are interpreting it correctly.

          The hard part is getting your S1 to look at the reg and then take the time to actually understand it. It took me a while to fully understand the reg too. It took me a year of people saying “well we don’t do it that way” to get O1E. These finance and S1 act like they are giving away their own money. Here’s the good news though, as soon as your finance or S1 sends it up to DFAS it takes about 30 days or a 2 full pay periods.

    • airicd22

      May 2, 2018 at 11:16 pm

      What they are supposed to do is take you Regular Army time and co.bine it with you Inactive duty points and Active duty point that you earned in the reserves. 1 point is one day, one day is one point. You might need to get a 1506 done. In your retirement points worksheet for the reserves the only points that count is the “Inactive Duty” and “Active Duty points columns.those points count towards your total active duty time. Inactive duty is any time spent on orders that you didn’t get a dd214 for, drill days, and AT. The active duty column is any time you spent on active duty as a reservist that you did get a dd214 for, such as a Mobilization, or deployment, AIT, boot camp, and stuff like that.

  23. So this 1460 has to come before commissioning?

    • airicd22

      May 8, 2018 at 7:13 am

      Yes, it does.

      • At the time of my commission I had 15 months of active duty time (to be precise- it was a 15 month deployment while I was a member of the Army National Guard) and I had a total of 10 years in the National Guard (this time includes the 15 month deployment.) Would this count? I always thought the answer was “no” but from some of your other comments/answers I could be wrong. At the time of commissioning I had about 1,400 points, just shy of the 1,460 needed. Thanks for the help!

        • airicd22

          May 16, 2018 at 5:59 am

          How do you know that you have 1400 points? Are you adding them up yourself? If not you should look at your retirement points from, if you don’t have one then your finance needs to do a 1506, or time in service calculation. How did you commission, if it was OCS then your time in OCS counts towards O1E. Look at your records and compare them to your retirement points and make sure everything that you have done is given credit. If that 1400 points is what your finance, s1, UA, is telling you that you have they probably aren’t including you inactive duty column. That is all your drills, AT, ADT, and any other time you were on orders but did not get a DD 214. All of that time counts. You’re really close I’m just trying to give you ideas of things that they may have missed. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

  24. First off thank you for addressing this topic and thanks again for responding so quick to all these comments. My question is geared more towards the NGB 23 (my 5016 is completely blank) but the good news is my NGB 23 shows exactly 1462 retirement points… can this form be used instead of filling out a 1506 when dealing with finance office.
    Thanks again for getting through all these questions

    • airicd22

      June 13, 2018 at 1:01 pm

      From what I’ve heard of people doing this from the national guard, you will need to bring the NGB23 to finance. There is also another document that may need to be created, I forget what it’s called, but it lists in order every drill and how many points you earned that, each single point is one day. If they do this before the 1506 just remember that 1 point is 1 day of active duty time. It’s possible that the 5016, 1506, and this other document need to be created before they make the determination. Also, rememebr that it is not retirement points that you need, but inactive duty points and active duty points from those columns. This whole process will probably take about 3 months. If you have any other questions feel free to leave another message.

  25. I served from 2007 to 2011 with 1461 total days active duty in the Marines. If I go back in now as an officer where it has been 7 years will I still qualify for O1E pay? Didn’t know if there was a time limit on how long you had been out of service or not. Any help is apppreciated!

    • airicd22

      July 15, 2018 at 3:31 am

      I’ve read through the regulation several times. I have not yet come across anything that says there is a time limit or break in service limit.

  26. I served active duty in the USAF from 06AUG2018-15July2018 and now I am in the reserves while going to college. I was awarded the AF Longevity Award and was wondering if this means I’ll receive 0-1E when I become an Army pilot?

    • airicd22

      July 24, 2018 at 2:53 pm

      Can you clarify you dates. As long as you’re in the reserves while in college and not a cadet you will continue to get time counted towards O1E. You have to make it to 4 years total between the active duty and reseves.

  27. I am in an interesting situation. I was enlisted in the Coast Guard reserve for ~2.5 years before getting a conditional release into the Army to attend medical school on the HPSP scholarship. I’m sure that I don’t have enough points to obtain O1-E pay, however, there are multiple mentions in the comments above about how the time in service still counts for pay purposes regardless of if E-pay is achieved. Should I be getting paid as an O1 with greater than 2 years of service? Any link to any regulations that I can look into would be greatly appreciated.

    • airicd22

      August 2, 2018 at 8:54 pm

      I cant direct you to any regulation at this time. I can tell you that I get paid for all my reserve time in service. You can have finance do a service calculation where they have degas send them all your LESs and that should fix the problem. You could possibly also do a 1506 form with your finance. I have a question for you, aren’t you enlisted during medical school?

  28. How often are the retirement points updated? My 5016 shows my last calculation was for 20161113-20171112, but I have been an avid attendee of all my training requirements. (I’m assuming it’s around your entry date) I just did an AMEDD Commission and I am according to the calculation currently showing about 80 points shy of the 1460 requirement. Is there a way to add in those numbers prior to the 5016 being updated?

  29. Thank you a million times over for this post. I received my commission October 2017. My medical recruiter told me that I did not have enough points to qualify for 02E pay because I only had 1389 ADT points. He said I could not add my reserve IDT points with my ADT points. Fast forward to today, I’m an O2 but still getting E6 pay. Finance has been a nightmare to just transition my pay grade to 02. After finding this post and the regulation, looks like big Army owes me even more money! I will be harassing my S1/finance. Thanks again for this information!

  30. I have been in 6 year now. I commission last year. I have went to every training National guard does including AT. they have not update my sheet

  31. I have 10 years national guard time(one deployment) then switched to active duty(almost 2 years). I have well over the 1460 in retirement points will they still take that even though I am active?

    • airicd22

      September 29, 2018 at 11:28 pm

      Add your inactive duty points with your active duty points. Those two columns or the only two that count. Retirement points have other types of points added into it, and they dont count. I helped a CPT get his O1E status after switching to active duty almost ten years ago. So if you have the 1460 points then it doesnt matter how much time has passed.

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